Comments on: Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection

By: » Gutmann paper cites shoddy web forum postings as source | George Ou | ZDNet.com

Sun, 02 Sep 2007 01:15:05 +0000

[...] Does Vista really block non-commercial premium content? Gutmann cites Karel Donk’s webpage on comment-1255 that mfpmp.exe also runs for DIVX or XVID files and says that this is “implying that it’s always active even if no premium content is present”. The bookmarked link to comment number 1255 doesn’t work but searching for “DIVX” takes you down to Karel Donk’s comment reproduced below. Karel Donk Says: January 17th, 2007 at 3:39 pm Akira, for me the ?Media Foundation Protected Pipeline EXE��? starts for almost all avi files, which use DivX or Xvid. I don?t know about downloads going slower, so far I haven?t had issues with that. I don?t use steam however. [...]

By: Levi Cohen

Levi Cohen — Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:02:55 +0000

Sounds like Dr. Frankenstein has been hard at work influencing MicroSoft to protect his pennies! Dr. Frankenstein resides in Follywood California these days!!! Yes kiddies, U can thank the Follywood boyz and their attorneys for this one!!!

By: airtonix

airtonix — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:09:58 +0000

someone i know got hold of some vista laptops….very nice systesm, i still hate vista though. just like i hated the church’s actions against females in the middle ages….not the church but how they influenced peopl around them…vista is doing the same kind of thing to people.

having said that … i installed nemos codec pack on this vista laptop (no problems) then install AnyDVD and then Hitman3 and then dumped a few divx movies on there for him…

he hasnt complained yet.

yet. but then again he is a simpleton taht like to have one push button gadgets that impress his workmates. anything more than on button to push and he feels like an idiot..im sure of it.

By: Liitlemoney

Liitlemoney — Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:34:00 +0000

GReat job everyone..

By: Tom

Tom — Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:18:09 +0000

I recently bought a Acer Lappy with Vista Basic, firstly i had to upgrade to 1 gig of ram just so vista would run with decent performance. Then after that i noticed how my Mp3′s and Divx Videos would not run smoothly all the time. Apart from this Vista is great, beautiful to look at and easy to use. But seriously if MS doesn’t figure out this mp3 and divx lag.. which i believe to be the DRM i am going back to XP, cos why bother using a system that looks good but doesn’t work properly! Peace Out:razz:

By: eject

eject — Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:10:39 +0000

Check the official microsoft blog burn baby burn….

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx

By: LRM

LRM — Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:17:24 +0000

This is why I switched to linux shortly after having windows XP (when it just came out) media player deny me the ability to play music that I had used WMP to rip off of a CD that was made in a home studio by my friend’s band.

By: Frankie

Frankie — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 22:49:14 +0000

very rich pictures?

how couldn’t I see this point… I’m so boring – I’ve been using my OS to work.

If I wanted rich pictures I’d get an Mac. Or go to the Kindergarden…

By: Purifier

Purifier — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:40:45 +0000

I just tried Vista, and I think it’s great. Very rich pictures

By: Reasons NOT to purchase Windows Vista - The Liberty Lounge Political Forums

Reasons NOT to purchase Windows Vista - The Liberty Lounge Political Forums — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:41:52 +0000

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By: air

air — Thu, 08 Feb 2007 02:12:06 +0000

I don’t think i will make an upgrade now, maybe two years later, as my XP is running prefect.

By: Lee Reeves

Lee Reeves — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:55:37 +0000

Hopefully they will wake up. I would like to watch HD-DVDs on my Macbook, regular DVDs don’t look very good on a 1920×1200 pixel monitor. I’ll buy an HD-DVD drive, but I won’t spend another $4000 on a new computer just to watch DRM’d movies.

By: Karel Donk

Karel Donk — Sat, 03 Feb 2007 02:45:11 +0000

Well we always have choice. Just don’t buy their content. I haven’t bought music from Apple’s iTunes ever. And I will never do it because of the restrictions. I won’t buy DRM infected CD’s either. If everyone starts doing this, they will see that there is no point in all the restrictions. For music, they are already waking up: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/21/yourmoney/music.php?page=1

The same will happen to movies in the future.

By: Lee Reeves

Lee Reeves — Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:35:16 +0000

I hate the idea of capitulating to the movie studios, but what choice do we have? Eventually they will make the process of copying movies difficult enough to force even Linux users to pay for them. Actually, it doesn't sound so Machiavellian when I say it that way. But it does bother me is that I may never be able to watch high definition movies with my MacBook Pro.

By: No future for high definition in Vista on the MacBook Pro | Windows Vista on a MacBook Pro

Fri, 02 Feb 2007 22:30:02 +0000

[...] You can learn more from arstechnica, from the BBC, or here, here, or here. Or read a very technical description of the impact of this new feature here. [...]

By: In My Humble Etc. - David Cullen » Blog Archive » All of your computers now belong to us

Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:35:56 +0000

[...] This is different though – a whole new step change. As this article shows Microsoft have gone way over the edge in terms of paranoid copy protection. It’s dense, but if you can bear to at all – please wade through it. I was a geek in a past life & can make sense of all but the most technical parts, but even for the less technically inclined you should be able to make out the gist, and it’s really worthwhile to get the sense of it. If you can’t stomach that at all – there are some of the details in a less dense form here and here. [...]

By: Robos

Robos — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:53:14 +0000

I have to comment one comment : DRM does NOT remove media taxes if some group of publishes enforces them on you. Here in Europe we do have NOT only DRM, but media taxes TOO. These items have only one thing in common: Recording industry wants its many at whatever cost.

By: Karel Donk » Archive » Windows Vista a Disappointment

Karel Donk » Archive » Windows Vista a Disappointment — Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:17:29 +0000

[...] In my opinion, they should have waited and tested everything a lot more and release a product with more quality in the end. Almost everyone is going to wait now for the first service pack release before they consider using Vista, and even then, will wonder what the benefits are that they will get from using it. The DRM “features” in Vista and the fact that it is so expensive won’t help either. And by the time the first Service Pack for Vista comes out, companies will wonder again if they should go ahead and deploy Vista, or if they should just wait a year for the next release of Windows, which is already planned for 2008. The only way they’ll get people to buy Vista is to not sell Windows XP anymore and to make certain software only available for Windows Vista, like DirectX 10. [...]

By: Karel Donk » Archive » Microsoft on Content Protection in Vista

Karel Donk » Archive » Microsoft on Content Protection in Vista — Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:42:23 +0000

[...] Charlie Demerjian continues to give Microsoft a hard time regarding the new DRM technologies introduced in Windows Vista. It seems Microsoft officially responded on the official Windows Vista Blog to a paper posted by Peter Guttman not too long ago. Read Demerjian’s article before you continue to read this post. [...]

By: Karel Donk

Karel Donk — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:39:46 +0000

Akira, for me the ?Media Foundation Protected Pipeline EXE��? starts for almost all avi files, which use DivX or Xvid. I don’t know about downloads going slower, so far I haven’t had issues with that. I don’t use steam however.

By: AKiRA

AKiRA — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:47:50 +0000

Hi Karel

my file wasn?t a avi it was a wmvfile. with a smaller avi the *media foundation* never started on my machine.
But it feels like all movies plays with some lag.

I haven?t noticed any problem with cd or mp3 files yet.

But It seems that downloading through steam is extremly slow. is it just steam or is there something with vista and the talked about communication handling under vista?

/akira

By: Karel Donk

Karel Donk — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:11:30 +0000

Hi Akira,
I can also confirm that even for videos of much lower resolution, “Media Foundation Protected Pipeline EXE” gets starten when I open them and uses 100% CPU at the beginning and around 10-20% CPU during playback. In addition, it takes almost 45 seconds before Media Player actually starts playing the video after opening it.
Video and audio playback seems to use much more resources in Vista, and you even get freezes and gaps in the audio.
On that very same PC, in XP, everything worked much faster.

By: AKiRA

AKiRA — Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:59:26 +0000

I can only confirm that playing an .avi film in 1280x720resolution 22min long and 680mb big.
Will start a process called “Media Foundation Protected Pipeline EXE” and eats around 50procent of my overclocked 3ghz P4 HT with 2gig ram. it can?t stream it, it freezes from time to time. And on my XP it streamed just fine.

Sure the drivers for Audigy 2 and Geforce 6800Ultra is only in Beta state. But It clearly shows that a movie clip in a high resolution will get problems on Vista and that a special process starts. Vista is a final “offical” version.

This Suxx

By: Zayin

Zayin — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:41:22 +0000

Aside from 3 links that lead to external outside reviews, all the links lead to other reports from the same web page. Yes I did, and the 3 reviews outside of this web page weren’t very resourceful either!

By: Karel Donk

Karel Donk — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 12:15:30 +0000

Zayin, did you check out the references in his paper?

By: Zayin

Zayin — Sun, 07 Jan 2007 10:58:22 +0000

aside from being extremely biased with anti-Microsoft slang, this doesn’t contain any reference to specifications or white papers from Microsoft supporting its claims. The auther could have saved a lot of time by just writing “I don’t like Vista.” because that’s about all I can conclude from it. Show me some facts guys!

By: Windows DRM is the ‘longest suicide note in history’ at Xl?g

Windows DRM is the ‘longest suicide note in history’ at Xl?g — Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:16:04 +0000

[...] http://www.miraesoft.com/karel/2006/12/25/cost-analysis-of-windows-vista-content-protection/ Executive Summary [...]

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:12:22 +0000

DRM is not bad as such. It’s – for starters -far better then a general tax on all media on which copyright protected material may be stored. It’s just the way DRM works currently that makes people angry.Personally I like the Apple drm and I think it’s fair. Probably, if i woud own more than 5 computers that would be different… MS on the other hand fails to deliver a system that’s not intrusive. And of course, to use MS encrypted materials you need to use a Windows system.

By: hAl

hAl — Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:14:10 +0000

Guttman’s article is mostly FUD that is a nicely slashdotted hype amongst anti-MS communities.
A more accurate description of the contect protection delivered by Vista is found here:
http://blogs.dasmirnov.net/paul/2006/12/31/windows_vista_drm_nonsense

By: Karel Donk » Archive » Piracy, The Better Choice

Karel Donk » Archive » Piracy, The Better Choice — Tue, 02 Jan 2007 17:08:15 +0000

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